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Jul
29
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Exodus 4:15b
"... and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do."
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Enemy at the Gates

Remember the story about the ancient city of Troy and how it was conquered by the Greeks? After a fruitless 10-year siege of Troy, the Greeks built a gigantic wooden horse and left it outside the city's gates. When the people of Troy thought that the Greeks had given up and had sailed away, they brought the horse inside the city walls. Then, in the dark of night, 30 Greek soldiers who were hidden inside the horse quietly came out and opened the city's gates, allowing the Greeks to enter and conquer Troy.

Today, something very similar is happening inside the walls of the Church. Theistic evolutionists are telling the Church that science and faith can be friends. "Science is not at war against the Church," they say. "Just open the door and let us in. You can be a Christian and an evolutionist at the same time."

Unfortunately, many Christian pastors and leaders are accepting this "gift" with open arms. By doing so, they are unwittingly opening the door that leads people away from the truth as presented in the Bible. Even worse, they are laying the groundwork for the destruction of the entire Word of God – and with it, belief in Jesus Christ. By undermining the authority and historicity recounted in the first book of the Bible, they are like the ancient Greeks hiding inside the Trojan Horse.

Thanks to theistic evolution, the account of creation is now viewed as a "story" that is not meant to be taken literally. This is a major departure from biblical scholarship that views the book of Genesis as an historical narrative. They interpret it in a figurative way, denying that the six days of creation are six 24-hour days. By interpreting the Bible in light of science, they say that the universe is billions of years old and evolution is simply the "tool" God used to create life.

Unfortunately, you won't have to look very hard in your own community to find pastors who are teaching this. Clearly, theistic evolutionists have already come out of the "horse" and are entering the gates of our churches, Sunday school classes and our children's open minds. Left unchallenged, most children who are raised in godly homes will become theistic evolutionists or go all the way to atheistic evolution.

While the Trojan Horse of theistic evolution is being accepted by many, it is in reality a deadly enemy at the gates.

See these articles about theistic evolution in the Creation Moments articles library:

http://www.creationmoments.com/content/theistic-evolution-same-god

http://www.creationmoments.com/content/differing-gods-creation-theistic-...

http://www.creationmoments.com/content/creation-allegory-or-narrative-re...

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The biggest problem I've had debating with theistic evolutionists (TE) is that they have settled themselves into a very comfortable position. They can make a claim to still be faithful Bible-believing Christians and still not experience the discomfort of separating themselves completely from the sinful world. I suppose all of us have trouble with that in different areas, however. But the TE sees literal creationists and atheistic Darwinists as the extremes. They have placed themselves very comfortably in the middle. They only wish the "extremists" could listen to reason and find the peaceful place that they are in. They see themselves as the humble minority with the rational voice of reason in a world of shouting opposites. They have eaten their cake and still have it as well. They seem to possess the best of both worlds. General acceptance by the religious community and tacit tolerance by evolutionary science. Because of the tranquility and sense of "enlightenment" of this position, it is extremely hard to dislodge people from this comfortable middle ground. A step in either direction for them will increase criticism and rock their boat. Many, sadly, are happy there and resist any rocking efforts.

Science and faith can be compatible. It is debatable that evolution is really science. It is historical science at best - although, the information collected is viewed through the eyes of scientists that believe that the Biblical account is bunk. There are many scientists who believe in the 6 days of creation. They are just not mainstream, generally. It would be great if more Christians knew how much scientific support Genesis has. Seems like we need to choose to look quite foolish in the eyes of many of the unchurched (and more and more in the church) with the insisting that the days of creation are a mere week, or, instead, to grasp for at least some respect with friends and family and sacrifice the truth of Genesis. Choosing the approval of God or man is what I believe to be the heart of this debate.

Your comment "Choosing the approval of god or man ... [is] the heart of this debate" is right on. Some years ago in the Grand Rapids Press, Howard Van Til from Calvin College stated that he had spent his entire career trying to earn the respect of the secular academy. We know what he chose. A few years after that he retired from Calvin and appeared at the West Michigan Freethinkers where he accepted out and out atheism.

If you want to destroy people's faith, all you have to do is get them to question God's word. Genesis clearly shows what happens to those who disobey the Lord — they are cut off. Without a Savior, you would be lost forever. But if you ignore the message in Genesis, you can also ignore our need to repent and accept the commandments of the Lord. What need do you have to repent if transgressing God's law has no consequences?

It's not science that's the enemy ... it's scientists who don't know how to interpret facts. They look at something that is only thousands of years old and say that it is millions of years old. They're the ones who are putting a Trojan Horse in our gates. People who accept scientists' view instead of biblical truth are making a huge mistake.

i would like to propose that neither science, nor scientists, is the enemy. Science is a tool, a method, that can be used or abused. Scientists are humans. Some of them know God, some of them do not. Those that do not are not the enemy, but the harvest field. Our enemy is a spiritual enemy and our battle is not against flesh and blood.

Evolutionism has ruined science. Now instead of looking for facts, science reinterprets facts according to evolutionists' suppositions. We're not living in an age of science, folks. We're living in an age of bad guesses gone wrong.

Theistic evolutionists are discarding the word of God for the false teachings of men. Any way you cut it, they're destroying their credibility. Without Genesis, the whole Christian message of salvation is destroyed. Who would need a Savior if there was nothing to save us from? Why take the word of the Lord seriously if you can discount Genesis as a fable?

Trojan horses often seem like a good idea from the outside, but they hold destruction inside. It might seem like a good idea to go along with the crowd on what's currently popular in scientific thought, but it's just going to end up badly. If you want to be accurate instead of stupid, always side with God.

You made some good points there. I did a search on the topic and found most people will agree with your opinion.

Thanks for the informative post. It helped me a lot. May the Force be with you.

Pretty insightful post. Never thought that it was this simple after all. I had spent a good deal of my time looking for someone to explain this subject clearly and you’re the only one that ever did that. Kudos to you! Keep it up.

The Trojan Horse analogy is a good one and theistic evolution is a problem because people do not rightly divide the word of truth (II Timothy 2:15.) People also tend to add to the word of God which is contrary to the commandment in Revelation 22:18. The failure to believe that God has given us all things that pertain unto life and godliness as promised in II Peter 1:3 has opened the door to all kinds of unbelief, not just theistic evolution. The lie of evolution eliminates the need of God and is tied to the old lie of Satan who said ye shall be as gods and ye shall not surely die. So yes, I agree that theistic evolution is a growing problem within the church today and needs to be addressed by people being meek to the Word of God, like in James 1:21.

The theistic evolutionists are a case of the tares among the wheat. ...They consider themselves to be wise but are fools in the eyes of God. Note what the Word says about them: Mt 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. They consider themselves wise: 1co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 1co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty...Those who are truly born again know the Truth and know those who are truly his brother. We must rebuke and reject them if they try to deceive us. God will separate them and cast them into the fire in due time...God will reveal them by the spirit of discernment... Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free... The gates of hell will not prevail.

Theistic evolutionists, like the Pharisees, are whited sepulchres. Indeed, they look good on the outside, but within they are full of dead men's bones. The Pharisees were great ones for taking the word of God and twisting it around to suit their purposes. Like lawyers, they looked for ways to break the law while making appear they were keeping it. The law about supporting parents was one routinely broken by people who claimed that they couldn't help their parents because they were going to leave their money to God. That's why the Lord told people not to follow the Pharisees, but to follow Moses. Theistic evolutionists are in the seat of the Pharisees. They've discounted what Moses wrote, so we can discount them as being true disciples of Christ.

Evolution is fact, religion is fairy tale. Mixing the two is like taking Santa to court. It might exist in some Santa story, but no court would give it 10 seconds. Just like no science institution gives religion 10 seconds.

If you are referring to macroevolution as a fact, you'd better think again. There is no known instance of macroevolution that has ever been observed or recorded.

The real fairy tale is Darwinism, which spins yarns about wild creatures mutating into everything and anything randomly over vast amounts of undocumented time. It's not believable at all unless you willingly want to accept supposition in place of fact.

Thanks Abouna for the conclusions. I emleiad the head educator for Catholic Schools in Brisbane, because I was worried that some of my brothers and sisters in school have been criticised for being fundamental, when they held that the first 11 chapters (I think) are not Myths.I was wondering if you could understand the response; I can't really get to you by email. I don't think it is ethical for me to disclose the email contents so publically, but I think it is alright for me to disclose a few things it revealed about Catholic scholorship. I was directed to a book (rather a segment from), How to Read the Old Testament, by Etienne Charpentier. It was argued that, Myth does not mean untruth . Myth, as it relates to the Creation Narratives reveals a large truth- Creation is a Divine selfless act from ex nihlo, an outpouring of God's graciousness and abundance upon all of creation .It was also brought to my attention that they believe that Chapter One and Two are different versions (I am not sure if they mean complementary or contradictory etc.) of the Creation story, with a 500 year gap between its authorship.I just thought you might like to know. And perhaps you have a comment from your pastoral experience that can be invaluable to me to understand and share with my Christian brothers and sisters.UN:F [1.7.4_987]please wait...UN:F [1.7.4_987](from 0 votes)

I was a theistic evolutionist for a while, in high school, before I turned my life over to Jesus. When family members suggested I do the things to officially join the church so I could take communion with them I realized I wasn't sure I even believed the Bible. Thus I began to read through the Bible. By the time I was entering UNM for geology, I was taking the Bible seriously. I still respected the "evidence" for evolution, but saw no agreement between it and scripture. After my first semester I got saved, and felt I had to choose; either the Bible was true or evolution was true. I didn't know the verse that says "let God be true and every man a liar," but that became my working hypothesis for origins.

I soon began to find literature by creationists. I had been willing to commit intellectual suicide, but found that the body of "knowledge" causing the problem was not even real science. It was a kind of mental cancer blinding me to much evidence, and causing me to forget that my science teacher in seventh grade had taught us that a phenomenon could not become a true "fact of science" unless testified to as observed repeatedly by multiple qualified observers. None of us had asked, regarding origins millions or billions of years ago, "Who were the qualified observers?"

Now, with word about polonium radiohalos and radiogenic helium in granitic rocks, instantaneous sedimentary layering of Mount St. Helens eruption deposits, carbon 14 in everything, and more, even if I discounted the Bible for some reason I would question the deep ages.

And after over forty years of Bible reading, I don't see any reason to discount it.

Pastors need to get a clue about how inaccurate scientists are. Scientists change their minds every five minutes. How is it that their word should be seen as having validity in comparison to God's?

Those that claim to believe in theistic evolution remind me of God's warning to the church at Pergamus. In Rev. 3:16 it says, "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."

They are trying to straddle the fence of biblical authority and humanistic secularism. They have chosen to believe man's fallible theories that have continued to be proven unreliable even by atheistic scientists, in stead of accepting God's word which has never been proven wrong.

I understand how an atheist who refuses to accept the possibility of a God creating all that we see; looking for an elusive concept that everything came from nothing; so that they will not need to admit that there is One to whom they owe their obedience, and that has the right to set the rules for how we should live.

There is no justifiable reason that someone that has claimed to already believe in an infinite, all powerful, all knowing God would use such backwards means to create life. They have swallowed the lie of Satan exchanging the pure truth of God to believe the lie. In doing so, they totally negate the validity of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If Genesis 1-11 is not 100% accurate as written, and cannot be trusted, then how can anything else be trusted?

Jesus quotes from Genesis 1-11 because He believed it to be true, and why wouldn't He, as He was not only there, but has His finger prints all over the creation that He had made. He was the first Rabbi who performed the first wedding ceremony there in the garden before sin had cast its deadly blow, and because He was already looking forward to Calvary's hill where He would crush Satan's head, defeating the power of sin and the sting of death. If Genesis is not accurate then Jesus either was wrong or didn't know what He was talking about, either of which disqualified Him as the spotless Lamb of God, making His sacrifice meaningless.

Any believer that is willing to accept the theory of theistic evolution fails to see or understand how it is Satan's tool to create doubt and distrust the historical, scientific accuracy of scriptures, all without proof, and only atheistic humanists to quote.

This is a perfect description of lukewarm.

I must say that the Trojan Horse is very much appropriate in this context. I do not agree, however, with the statement that "science is at war with the church", or vice versa. Good science is not at war with the church because it simply interprets facts and usually ends up as "proof" of the word of God or shows God's infinite wisdom, as we have read/heard in many Creation Moments programs. To be clear, good science follows evidence, evolutionary science directs the evidence. It is evolutionary scientists, be they moderate (Trojan horses) or extremists that are at war with the church. I believe that the truth will come out, even if we have to wait until the second coming. That said, we must love our enemies, protect our children and spread the word of God. If we do so as some preachers have such as yelling and name calling I feel we lose the battle. Stay the course with your program please. Calm rational discussion will win out. Especially when you have the truth (and God) behind you. God bless.

The term "theistic evolution" is as much a misnomer as the term "Christian rock." The two terms are diametrically opposed and cannot be used together accurately. Either you believe that God is THE Creator or He isn't. What you believe about that determines everything else in your life, really. Choose wisely, based on God's Word!

True science looks at all of the pertinent facts without a predisposed bias. The relevant facts overwhelmingly support the Holy Bible, including a young earth no more than about 10,000 years old. For example, our sun is a controlled Hydrogen fusion reaction that consumes Hydrogen & produces heat, light, & Helium. By consuming Hydrogen at huge rates, it is steadily decreasing in mass; as little as a few million years ago, it would have been enough larger that it would have been effectively a million miles closer to our earth by virtue of its larger diameter. At the present 93 million miles away it gives us a just-right amount of light & heat; if it were 92,000,000 miles away, life could not survive on earth. If you went progressively further back in time, it would have been proportionately hotter on earth, making life even less possible. This distance, 93,000,000 million miles, is one of over 200 "just- right" conditions on our earth, in our solar system, & in our galaxy; these are called anthropic (favorable to man/life) conditions any one of which, if not provided by God in very exact amounts, would make life on earth impossible.

The analogy of a Trojan horse is very appropriate; seemingly a some truth mixed in with some untruths. As theologian Dr. J. Vernon McGee appropriately said, "A half-truth is a whole lie". Two adolescents wanted to see a PG-13 movie that only had "a little profanity, etc". Mom & dad said that they would discuss it & give their children the answer in an hour or so. The children were soon ushered into the kitchen which smelled wonderful because of the fresh-baked brownies. The parents explained that the brownies were made from an excellent brownie recipe with the exception that they contained a little dog poop. Very little, because you were very unlikely to smell or taste it. How do you want your "brownies"? I believe that our God who has spoken this incredibly beautiful universe into existence by the word of His mouth should have no trouble keeping His Word intact over the eons. The facts are there; theistic evolutionists (a half-truth, see above) choose which ones they "want" to believe. Don't depreciate the Word into a polka-dot Bible, believing in a spot here, a spot there, etc.

The great difficulty of theistic evolution is this: For evolution to occur, there must be death. Death did not come until Gen 3:21 when God made garments of skin for Adam and Eve. Up to then, all food was provided by green plants (Gen 1:29-30). So how can evolution be happening if there is no "natural selection"? All animals were made by then, according to their kind. They were not evolving into any other kinds, nor was man evolving from apes. We know from Job 12:7-9 that even the animals know God has CREATED everything, but man has the breath of God in him - the monkeys do not.

Thankfully, organizations like ICR, Answers in Genesis, CM, and others take a clear and unmovable stand on the authority of the Word of God.

So-called "Theistic Evolution" is a not-so-subtle attempt by the Enemy of our Souls to do what he does best...subterfuge, deception, disinformation. You know...your old "pen is mightier than the sword" line.

Since the heart of mankind is already pre-disposed against God (John 3:18, Jeremiah 17:9), it naturally follows that anything that comes down the pike that will elevate man while denegrating God is a natural winner.

Thank the Lord for the thousands of Christian schools that try to turn the tide.

Any Christian that has their children in government schools is sabotaging the faith of impressionable, tender hearts that once infected with the godless humanism of Evolutionary thinking, are damaged for LIFE ! Stop it!